INTRODUCTION & REVIEW
 
In our last several studies in Daniel 8 ( verses 10-12, 23 and then verses 24-25 ), we looked at the angel Gabriel's interpretation of Daniel's vision about the Little Horn, and we found this Little Horn to be a description of Satan's rule as the counterfeit Christ, THE ANTICHRIST , in and over the whole corporate or external Christian Church as God's Judgment against them beginning on May 21,1988 due to their ever growing sins against God's law and their worship of idols at High Places erected right in their own midst. By High Places of idol worship, we mean the holding to doctrines, traditions, or practices that are held as if true to God and His word, the Bible, even though they are not. For instance, the belief that Christ paid for the sins of every single last human being, and now it is up to each individual person to believe in Christ to be saved, we learned, is a false teaching and gospel, and therefore, for many Christian churches to have made it a pillar of truth either by doctrine, practice, or in thought when it is not, has made it a High Place of idol worship erected right in their midst.

Other examples of High Places of idol worship, for instance, would be the many false doctrines, traditions, and practices in the Catholic Church . For instance, their very seriously wrong teaching of eternal salvation by grace plus works; their false doctrines of Purgatory, the Assumption of Mary; their incorrect thinking of Mary as Co-redeemer and Mediator; their false teachings of praying to and for the dead; their false practice of not only praying to Mary, but their pagan-like repetitive prayers to Mary; then also, their false practices of making and using pictures and statues as aides in worship, such as pictures of Christ and Mary, Saint Christophers, and statues of Christ, Mary, and other so-called Saints, and their idolatry of bowing down to these things as aides in worship; then also their false doctrines of the transubstantiation of the wine and bread into Christ's literal body, and the mass itself being a reenactment of Christ's sacrifice; their false teachings that the Apocrypha is part of the word of God that they declared canonical at the council of Trent (see Is the Catholic Apocrypha a part of the word of God? ); and then again, their seriously false teaching that eternal salvation comes, at least in part, by obedience to their Church sacraments; also their false doctrines that teach one is cleansed of original sin by water baptism, and that Catholicism is the true worldwide (universal) Church of Christ, and that the Apostle Peter is the Rock on which Christ's Church is built; then their false teaching of what they call Church tradition being equal in authority to the word of God, and their doctrine of celibacy for their priests; and many, many other false things in the Catholic Church. 

There should be absolutely no question: the Catholic Church itself is just one giant cult or High Place of idol worship (again, see Catholicism ), for It stands in direct opposition to the true Christianity " once delivered to the Saints" ( Jude 1:3 ) in the 1st century AD. Any so-called Christian, therefore, who can remain a Catholic even after carefully comparing the word of God (the 66 books of the Protestant Bible alone that are also in their Catholic Duey Bible) with the teachings and practices of the Catholic Church must most certainly be considered spiritually blind, dead, and lost . Despite many Catholics being very moral and well-intended (good people, humanly speaking), for anyone willing to remain in the Catholic Church after carefully comparing it to the truth of the Holy Bible, the word of God, is to blaspheme the true Christ who they claim to stand for but actually do not. No, their Cardinals, Bishops, Priests, and their Popes have all followed a counterfeit Christ, THE ANTICHRIST (also called the Man of Sin, the Son of Perdition [2Thessalonians 2:3], the Little Horn [Daniel 8:8-9], the Abomination of Desolation, and the Beast [Revelation 13:6]), Satan Himself, who comes as an angel of light, a minister of righteousness, deceiving and being deceived, and he works right through all the counterfeit Christians that now fill the Catholic Church as well as all the other denominations and so-called Christian churches as well throughout the world (see 2Corinthians 11:13-14 ).  

Indeed, other examples of High Places can be found throughout Protestant Christianity, which has also fallen away from truth in far too many ways as Holy Scripture, the word of God, prophesied that they would do so in this very day when the coming of Christ and the end of this world are right at hand (see 2Thesalonians 2:1-5 ). For instance, as already mentioned, far too many of the Protestant churches hold to the High Place and false gospel which teaches that Christ died for every human being (theologically called Universal Atonement), and now it is up to each individual human being to choose or believe in Christ in order to be eternally saved from hell and be given eternal life (see Daniel 8:12 part 5 and part 6 as well as Keeping the Sabbath Day Holy? ) Other High Places in Protestant Christianity are such things as the false teaching of divorce not necessarily being a sin; or the false teaching that there are legitimate reasons not only for divorce, but also for remarriage without it being sin even in the case when the divorced spouse is still alive (see DIVORCE, THE BIG LIE! ); or the false teaching that divorce in pagan public courts ends a marriage, and so one is then freed from the marriage bond to marry another; the false beliefs, as already stated, that one can do something to be eternally saved, such as simply believe, be baptized, join the church, say the sinners prayer, come forward on an altar call, speak in tongues, confess one's sins, or do whatever else it might be to become saved in that particular denomination, church, or branch of Christianity (again, see Daniel 8:12 part 5 and part 6 as well as Keeping the Sabbath Day Holy? ).  

Then, there are also the false teachings that woman can be Pastors, Elders (Bishops), or Deacons (see 1Timothy 3:1-13 ); or that woman can teach Bible studies either in the church or homes even with adult Christian men in attendance because, they think, today's culture has changed even though it has nothing to do with culture but, instead, God's creational order of things for all time, which completely transcends culture ( 1Timothy 2:11-14 ). Then there is the incorrect belief held by virtually all so-called Christian churches that women no longer need to physically cover their heads when praying or prophesying, usually because, once again, they think our culture is different today, or that it is only the spiritual aspect of the head covering that really matters, not the physical (see 1Corinthians 11:3-16 ). Also, many churches permit women to pray and prophesy (declare God's word) in the main worship service when scripture clearly teaches that women are to remain silent (see 1Corinthians 14:34 ). And there are many other High Places today in many of the Protestant churches like placing church confessions, catechisms, and the like above the word of God by not willing to change them to be more in accord with God's word. In the so-called Charismatic, Pentecostal and the Catholic Church as well, they hold to such false things as that God is still speaking directly to them apart from holy scripture in voices, prophesyings, dreams, visions, tongues, words of knowledge as these Protestants call it, or by some other direct means apart from Holy Scripture. But if God were still so directly speaking to them, that would be equivalent to the very word of God itself, wouldn't it? And so, it would be equivalent in authority to the Holy Scriptures themselves, which are also the word of God. So, this would be adding to the words of God even if it was just repeating what was already in the word of God, the Holy Scriptures, for God does, at times, repeat things in the Holy Scripture for emphasis and other reasons. But, even if God was still today adding to His word by just emphasis or any other reason for that matter, then He would still be adding to His word and so would be in violation of His very own words in Holy Scripture, which is impossible, for it is impossible for God to lie. God Himself said through the Apostle John in Revelation 22:18-19, 

18 For I testify unto every man [literally, "all" in the Greek] that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man [literally, "If any" in the Greek] shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book ;
19 And if any man [literally, "If any" in the Greek] shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book . 

These two verses in the book of Revelation are not just applicable to adding or taking away from the book of Revelation as many think. No, the 66 books of God's Holy word are one cohesive whole. Therefore, adding to one part of that whole changes the meaning to another part of the whole, and adding to another part of the whole changes the meaning to another part of the whole, and so on. Indeed, the Holy Bible is one cohesive whole made of 66 books only, and it alone, altogether, circumscribes or defines what and who the true faith and Christ is. Any adding to it or taking away from it affects other parts of it. So, adding to the book of Revelation adds to the Bible as a whole, not just the book of Revelation; and taking away from the book of Revelation takes away from the Bible as a whole, not just the book of Revelation. This is so because words, phrases, sentences, and even whole stories in the Bible can only most accurately be defined and understood by looking up those words, phrases, sentences, and even whole stories, sometimes, in all the other places of the Bible in which they are found to see how God defines them. Yes, we must let the Bible define and interpret itself, comparing scripture with scripture. If any words, phrases, sentences, or even stories are added to or taken away from one place in the Bible, therefore, it can affect the overall meaning of the Bible as a whole. And, of course, I speak with respect to the spiritual meaning that God wants His people to understand. This requires spiritual discernment that unsaved people just don't have. And, because the Catholic Church, for instance, came up with various doctrines from the Apocrypha over a period of about 1,000 years, they had to change their earlier view that the Apocrypha cannot be used for Church doctrine to that it can be used for Church doctrine. In fact, they finally had to make it a part of the most holy canon at the council of Trent in 1546 AD because they needed to show support for their false doctrines that had arisen over hundreds of years and in response to attacks originating from the Reformation, such as their false doctrines of praying to and for the dead, purgatory, the assumption of Mary, and various other false doctrines as well. But, unfortunately for them, even the unholy Apocrypha does not at all do a good job to support all their false doctrines (see Is the Catholic Apocrypha of the word of God? ). Instead, all their false doctrines clearly reveal how the Catholic Church has placed itself above the very words of God in the true Holy Scriptures, namely the 66 non-Apocrypha books found in all three of the major branches of Christianity: the Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, and Protestant Bibles alike. Neither the Jewish Church, nor the earliest Christian churches, nor the earliest and weightiest Church fathers (true scholarly theologians) considered the Apocrypha equal to Holy Scripture: Helpful reading, perhaps; but not true Holy Scripture from which Church doctrine should be derived (see Is the Apocrypha a part of the word of God? ).  

Anyway, because the corporate or external Christian Church, which includes all local denominations and churches worldwide, had fallen away, some churches in these things and other churches in those things; some in a few things and others in a lot of things; nevertheless, all churches having fallen away to one degree or another, God released Satan from the pit in which he was first bound at the time of the cross to hand over to him, Christianity's arch enemy, their whole corporate or external Christian Church, which includes all Christian churches, by taking up his seat of rule in them as the counterfeit Christ, who is the Antichrist or Little Horn, to deceive and spiritually destroy them beginning on May 21, 1988 according to the very accurate, Biblical Timeline of History. Immediately after that, God, the true Holy Spirit, removed Himself from the whole corporate or external Church and was replaced by the counterfeit Holy Spirit or Christ, the ultimate Antichrist or devil himself because the corporate Christian Church as a whole had become an unholy thing in the eyes of God, needing judgment to be served upon it to fulfill all righteousness. And by September 6-7, 1994, which began the first ever Jubilee year of Jubilees (fifty, 50 year periods) from the time Israel entered Canaan in 1407 BC (see Biblical Timeline ), the corporate Christian Church or Temple (all Christian denominations and local churches worldwide) had been spiritually ruined, being then ruled over by the Little Horn , the counterfeit Christ or Antichrist , Satan himself (also called the Beast , the Man of Sin, and the Abomination Desolation) without even knowing it. 

Now, we first began to learn about this Little Horn being used by God to spiritually destroy the corporate or external Christian Church in verses 10-12 of Daniel 8. There, we learned that this Little Horn became great in the Christian churches and was seated to begin ruling in them on May 21,1988 when God removed the true Holy Spirit from the midst of the whole corporate or external Christian Church, which made way for the Little Horn who is the Antichrist, Satan himself, to be able to begin ruling in it, " for judgment [had to] begin with the House of God " ( 1Peter 4:17 ). This began the Great Tribulation period in which some of God's true people, we learned, were spiritually cast down, trampled, and killed (silenced) in their very own churches (see Revelation 11:7-10 ; 13:7 ; 13:17 part 1 and part 2 ). Eventually, God's true people came to realize that ever since May 21,1988, they were being commanded to depart out from all the Christian churches like the Holy Spirit had already done. But it wasn't until about 13 or so years after May 21,1988 when most of God's true people did finally come to realize Christ's command and so did finally come out from their churches in obedience to their Lord (see Why leave all Christian churches? and Should we depart out from all Christian churches? ).   

But then, in verse 11 of Daniel 8 , we further learned that with the coming of this Little Horn or ultimate Antichrist to rule in and over the whole corporate or external Christian Church as God's judgment against them, he brought an end to the " daily sacrifice ," which we learned meant that eternal salvation came to an end in the whole corporate or external Christian Church during the Great Tribulation that began on May 21,1988 when this Little Horn had been installed in the Christian Church as the king, the counterfeit Christ, the ultimate Antichrist who had been prophesied to come and did come; yes, the devil himself.  

We also learned in verse 12 of Daniel 8 part 1 , part 2 , part 3 , part 4 , part 5 , and part 6 that this Little Horn was given " a host ," which is an army of demons and counterfeit Christians to come against the " daily sacrifice ," Jesus Christ, with false teachings, false signs and wonders or miracles, false prophets, and false gospels; and this army was able to successfully cast truth to the ground in the external or corporate Christian Church as a whole by such things, we saw, as Zionism (also called Dispensationalism or Dispensational Premillennialism), or by such things as proclaiming salvation to still be possible when it is not: saying, "peace, peace when there is no peace ," or by such things as proclaiming other false gospels like we already mentioned: that Christ died for everyone, and it is now up to each particular individual to do their part to be saved by choosing, or by repenting and believing in Christ, or perhaps also being baptized, or perhaps also obeying so-called Church sacraments, or any number of other things depending on the particular church, denomination, or branch of so-called Christianity. Whatever the case, these false works-gospels that are all over the place, even in mainstream Christianity, always require that someone does something to be eternally saved, even if it is just to believe. But if one must do anything to be saved, then grace is no longer grace, as we read in Ephesians 2, 

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that [faith] not of yourselves: it is the gift of God :
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast . 

Of course, if one truly did become eternally saved by the Father having granted to him or her grace through the gift of faith by May 21,2011; that is, the faith of Christ, then he or she would come to believe, repent, and seek to obey Christ in everything else as well. But none of those things would be what saved that person. No, it was God who saved that person by His gift of saving faith; that person did nothing to obtain it, for it was not by his or her works or by doing anything. But, since God brought an end to any possibility for eternal life or salvation through Christ on May 21,2011 (the only way eternal life or salvation was ever possible), He is no longer even granting that gift of saving faith. So, no one is being eternally saved in these final days. Only counterfeit salvations are now taking place, and these are a part of the signs and wonders, or supposed miracles, that were given by God for the counterfeit Christ, the ultimate Antichrist, Satan himself to perform in great deception: deceiving the churchgoers into a stupor of blindness, being made drunk on a poisonous wine that is killing them (a gospel that no longer saves anyone). 

Then, we skipped down to verses 23-25 of Daniel 8 to see what the angel Gabriel's interpretation of Daniel's vision and this Little Horn was, and we learned in verse 23 that this Little Horn would come in the Latter Days of Satan's worldwide rule, " when the transgressors are come to the full ," which, we saw, meant this Little Horn would come on May 21,1988, which he did. This is when God began His Judgment and Great Tribulation upon the corporate or external Christian Church because transgressing or sinning therein had reached the full extent to which God would allow before then bringing His Judgment and the Great Tribulation against them. He could stomach the sin no longer in His own house! And, indeed, God began His Judgment against the Christian churches by making way for " a king of fierce countenance [strong presence] ... [who is] understanding dark sentences [understanding the Bible and its parables or mysteries ] , " and he was established and seated as ruler in the corporate or external Christian Church beginning on May 21,1988 according to the very accurate , Biblical Timeline of History . This king, we found, is that Little Horn who is the ultimate Antichrist that was prophesied to come and did come, the counterfeit Christ; yes, the devil himself: not a man who virtually all the Christian churches think has not yet come, and when he does come, they think he will be seated in the 3rd Temple to be built over in earthly Jerusalem. Yet, the truth is, he is a counterfeit Holy Spirit that already came and took the place of the true Holy Spirit in the whole corporate or external Christian Church. Indeed, he is the devil himself, the ultimate Antichrist (also called the Little Horn) that was established in the Christian churches as the counterfeit king Jesus, all for the purpose of bringing God's Judgment against His very own external or corporate Church due to all their sins and worship of idols at their High Places (churches)  that God could no longer stomach, so He vomited them out of His mouth to be spiritually ruined by their arch enemy himself, the devil, his fallen angels, and his counterfeit Christians.  

Then, as we continued to read in Daniel 8, we learned in verse 24 , this Little Horn (the Antichrist), Satan himself, being the one given by God to the Christian churches as judgment against them to spiritually destroy and deceive them, that " his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people ." No, it was " not by his own power " that the Little Horn became mighty in the external or corporate Christian Church as a whole after May 21,1988, but it was because, remember, God, the Holy Spirit who had kept the devil from completely taking over the whole corporate Christian Church for 1,955 years during the Church Age departed out from the midst of it on May 21,1988 to hand over that seat of rule to Satan himself to administer spiritual destruction upon God's own Church, similar to as Jerusalem, in times past, had been handed over by God to Nebuchadnezzar, the king of Babylon, to be destroyed, temple and all, in 587 BC, all because earthly Jerusalem, which was a type or foreshadow of the Christian Church to come, had rejected God's law and worshipped idols at their High Places . 

Anyway, verse 24 of Daniel 8 then further taught us that this Little Horn, the counterfeit Christ or Antichrist, Satan himself would be very successful or prosperous at spiritually destroying or ruining the Christian Church after May 21,1988, for it reads, " and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people ." The " mighty and the holy people ," we saw, refers to God's true people who, for the most part, were still in the Christian churches during more than half of the Great Tribulation after God's Judgment first began at the corporate or external Christian Church or Temple on May 21,1988 with the removal of the Holy Spirit and so also, then, the removal of eternal salvation from their midst. And, without the Holy Spirit any longer being in the midst of the corporate Temple or Church, God's true people were no longer spiritually protected and empowered as before, so they and their ministries were spiritually killed (silenced) within the Christian churches by the counterfeit Holy Spirit and Christ, the ultimate Antichrist, Satan himself. But finally, we, God's true people, followed our Lord to depart out from all the Christian churches, for with the devil, the king of spiritual Babylon, ruling over them, the Christian churches all became Babylon the Great, the mother of harlots and Abominations of the earth; and so we obeyed our Lord to depart out from them before the many days of God's Wrath came upon the whole world on May 21,2011, and we have remained outside the Christian churches ever since that we might not partake of the spiritual plagues upon her, nor share in her sins. As we read in Revelation 18:4,

" And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues ."  

Now, to complete this review about the Little Horn, during our last study, we looked at verse 25 of Daniel 8 , which reads,  

25 And through his [the Little Horn's] policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand .  

In this verse, we saw clearly how that through the Little Horn's policy, which we translated as " through his understanding [especially his understanding of Holy Scripture as we had learned back in verse 23 ] he caused craft [deceit or lies] to prosper ." This means the Little Horn, who is the counterfeit Christ and the Antichrist that already came on May 21,1988 and sat down to rule in the corporate Christian Temple or Church; yes, the devil himself was quite successful by using his deceit or lies to deceive the churchgoers as well as by using the miracles or signs and wonders he had been given to perform to deceive them, such as apparent healings, the making of people to fall backward in his arrogance of making himself the Judge ( Revelation 13:13 part 1 , part 2 , and part 3 ); his counterfeit salvations, and apparent direct revelations from God like voices, dreams, visions, tongues, prophesyings, words of knowledge; or the like.  

We also learned in verse 25 that this Little Horn destroys many " by peace ." That is, we discovered, he destroys many by proclaiming salvation to still be present in the Christian churches even though there are no more true salvations taking place in the churches ever since May 21,1988, nor in the whole world ever since May 21,2011. Therefore, it is a counterfeit peace and a false gospel with counterfeit salvations, a delusion being fed to all those still in the Christian churches. In fact, according to God's very accurate , Timeline of History , the Church Age ended on May 21,1988 when the true Holy Spirit left the whole corporate or external Christian Church so that the counterfeit Christ, the Antichrist (also called the Little Horn), Satan himself was easily able to sit down and begin ruling in it without them even knowing as God's Judgment against them, saying " peace, peace when there is no peace ." That is, this Little Horn saying through his counterfeit Christians in the churches, eternal salvation is still possible when it is no longer possible ; and thinking in their hearts, Christ would never forsake us, His Church, for we are the apple of His eye, and the gates of hell cannot prevail against us all while having been forsaken by God and given over to Satan. Indeed, just as God forsook Jerusalem of Old and handed them over to the king of Babylon in 587 BC, so also has God forsaken the whole external or corporate Christian Church, which includes all Christian churches on the earth, except, of course, His Eternal Church, namely His Elect themselves, who have long since departed out from all the churches in obedience to the true Christ. So, this Little Horn has stood " up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand " by the brightness of Christ's coming to consume him. As stated in 2Thessalonians 2:8, 

" And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming ... ." 

Ok, with that overview on the Little Horn of Daniel Chapter 8: things we had already covered in past studies, let's now look at verse 13 of Daniel 8. It reads, 

13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot ?  

First, in looking more closely at this verse, the word " saint " is more literally translated as " holy one ." Therefore, when we read, " Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake , How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot ? ," a more literally translation would read, " Then I heard one holy one speaking, and another holy one said unto that certain holy one which spoke, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden underfoot ?" Theoretically, in this verse, " one holy one " (one qadowsh, pronounced kaw-doshe' in Hebrew) could possibly be in reference to the Father, God while the " another holy one " that spoke unto the " one holy one " could be in reference to the Son (Jesus Christ), God, for both the Father and the Son could by viewed as two different holy ones although they are, of course, both also the one and the same holy God. If that is the case, our verse could be translated, " Then I heard one holy one [the Father, God] speaking, and another holy one [Jesus Christ, the Son and God] said unto that certain holy one which spoke, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden underfoot ?" Assuming this is the correct understanding, then it would obviously be a veiled or hidden Old Testament reference to the triune God: the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit that would be much more clearly revealed in the New Testament. 

But, as previously stated, the " one holy one" and the " another holy one " mentioned in our verse 13 of Daniel 8 could, possibly give reference to two different spirit angels because certainly, in the Bible, the non-fallen spirits or good angels could certainly be called "holy angels." Nevertheless, this term " holy one "  (transliterated as qadowsh, meaning " holy ," but pronounced here in its possessive context as kadowshe' [kaw-dows-huh], meaning " holy one " ) is never used in reference to a " holy angel ." Therefore, in our verse, the " one holy one " and the " another holy one " mentioned cannot refer to spirit angels. No, the only spirit angel mentioned in Daniel 8 is mentioned by the personal name of Gabriel down in verse 16 where we read, 

16 And I heard a man's voice [Christ's voice] between the banks of Ulai, which called, and said, Gabriel, make this man to understand the vision .  
 
Now, the third possibility that our term " one holy one " and " another holy one " could be in reference to are two different holy persons of God's holy people in heaven. This is how most translators interpret the " one holy one " and the " another holy one " in our verse 13 to be, including the King James translators, which is why they translate the two different holy ones as two different Saints, for they interpret the two different holy ones to be two different human persons of God, and therefore, they are each called a " Saint ." And there are good reasons for this Authorized King James translation. Afterall, according to the Bible, any human person who is eternally saved in Jesus Christ is holy and is a Saint whether on this earth or in heaven. One is not a Saint because the manmade Catholic Church deems him or her to be a Saint by judging his or her good works, for no man can become a Saint by good works as " we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away " (Isaiah 64:6). Rather, one is a Saint only if Christ paid for that person's sins on the cross and is working through that person by the washing of regeneration by the Holy Spirit to do His (Christ's) good works that were predestined for that particular person to do from before the world even began. Indeed, every single true believer in Jesus Christ, then, is a Saint or " holy one " (see " Saints " everywhere it takes place in the New Testament). 

So, although " one holy one" and the " another holy one " in our verse 13 of Daniel 8 cannot be in reference to two different spirit angels because the Hebrew word qadowshe' ( " holy one " ) is never used with the Hebrew word mal'ak (angel) in the Old Testament and so translated as " holy angel ," they could be translated as " one holy one" (the Father, God) and the " another holy one " (the Son, God: Jesus Christ); or they could be translated in the way of the Authorized King James Bible, like many translations do, as the " one Saint " and " another Saint " because, unlike spirit angels, both these latter possibilities where the term " holy one " refers to " God " or " Saint ," respectively, can be found in the Old Testament. Personally, I prefer the previous to the latter translation because in our verse 13, Daniel first says, " Then I heard one holy one speaking ," and I see this " holy one " speaking in Daniel's vision to be that " one holy one " (the Father, God) who, by His words in speaking, is creating the future of this world in a way similar to how the Father, God, spoke His Word and this world was created by that Word, Jesus Christ.  

Then, continuing on, Daniel says, " another holy one said unto that certain holy one which spoke, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden underfoot ?" So, " another holy one " (the Son, God: Jesus Christ) hears the Father, God, speaking out His Word, Jesus Christ, that will ultimately bring about the fulfillment of Daniel's vision to do with everything we have been learning about concerning this Little Horn, such as his removal of the daily sacrifice, his being seated to rule in the corporate or external Christian Church due to God no longer tolerating their sins and their worship of idols, and his spiritually trampling down the sanctuary and God's people, when " [he] said unto that certain holy one [the Father, God] which spoke, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden underfoot ?" 

Now, all this makes perfect sense, for, if Christ were that very Word that the Father is speaking to bring about that future fulfillment or creation of Daniel's vision, He would want Himself and His very own beloved wife, namely His Eternal Church who is His very own flesh and blood, to know just how long it will be for them to have to endure and suffer all the terrible things to do with this Little Horn, as these things are a description of the Great Tribulation itself, the nature of which is completely spiritual by eternal salvation no longer being possible. So, " another holy one [the Son, God: Jesus Christ] said unto that certain holy one [the Father, God] which spoke, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden underfoot ?" Could it be that just as Christ when He was here on earth in the flesh did not know the day or hour for His coming, but only the Father, that similarly, here, He did not know how long the things to do with this Little Horn would be, so, for His and His own body's sake, the Eternal Church, for the Latter Days, he said unto the Father " How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden underfoot ?"  

Well, let's now end this study until the next time when we will further study verse 13 and consider what this " one holy one " says is the length of time for the fulfillment of Daniel's vision to do with the things of this Little Horn, the 2300 evening mornings or days of verse 14. 


Now, until the next time, may " Yahweh bless thee, and keep thee: Yahweh make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee: Yahweh lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace " (Numbers 6:24-26).